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In A World Gone Mad[edit]

I added 'In A World Gone Mad' to the singles section. Joshuah Hounshell (talk) 01:38, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

EPs[edit]

I don't think that the three EPs Love American Style (1989), An Exciting Evening at Home with Shadrach, Meschach and Abednego (1989) and Frozen Metal Head (1992) should be classed as separate EPs because essentially they were different formats of the singles 'Hey Ladies' (1989), 'Shadrach' (1989) and 'Jimmy James' (1992). This is evident because the EPs and singles have the same artwork, similar track listings and in the United Kingdom Love American Style (aka 'Hey Ladies') and Frozen Metal Head (aka 'Jimmy James') charted on the singles chart which shows they were classed as single releases rather than separate EP releases.

I have removed these three EPs from the extended plays section and copied the UK chart positions next to their respective single releases. Also I have created a note explaining that in some countries 'Hey Ladies', 'Shadrach' and 'Jimmy James' were released as EPs. - Ellm6 (talk) 15:13, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Also I would like to raise the question about whether Cooky Puss and Rock Hard should be classed as EPs or singles? I believe they should be classed as singles however I would like to open a discussion first before I edit the discography. On the 'Cooky Puss' front cover, it actually states that the release is a maxi single rather than EP and I believe 'Rock Hard' should also be classed as a single as it is only four tracks long (including an instrumental version of one of the tracks). Please contribute with any ideas regarding this discussion - Ellm6 (talk) 15:31, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Love American Style, An Exciting Evening... and Frozen Metal Head were actually placed on the UK Singles Chart rather than the UK Albums Chart due to chart rules regarding length of the overall release - if the release was under forty minutes of play, then the release would be placed on the UK Singles Chart regardless of whether the artist or label intended the release to be an EP or a single.

For the case of Love American Style: while it shares its cover with 'Hey Ladies', I don't think we can attribute the EP to a specific single - Love American Style could easily be attributed to either 'Hey Ladies' or 'Shake Your Rump'.

I have a similar take on Frozen Metal Head, which I believe cannot be attributed to any specific single. Why attribute it to 'Jimmy James', instead of 'So What'cha Want (All the Way Freestyle Version)', which also appears on the EP? While 'Jimmy James' and Frozen Metal Head did have similar track listings, they weren't completely the same - Frozen Metal Head had tracks that weren't included on the 'Jimmy James' single. It should be noted that there were different pressings of both 'Jimmy James' and Frozen Metal Head - track listings vary among these releases. In fact, one version of Frozen Metal Head excludes 'Jimmy James' altogether.

But unlike the two EPs above, which I believe should stay in the EPs section, I don't have a final take on An Exciting Evening... yet. I'll look more into its release details. I'll also look into 'Rock Hard' and 'Cooky Puss'. Holiday56 (talk) 06:12, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

I think it might be necessary for a third opinion for this discussion. With Love American Style EP, I think it definitely should not be classed as a separate EP. Using sites such as Discogs and Beastie Mania you can see the names 'Hey Ladies' and 'Love American Style EP' are used interchangeably and sometimes both names are used. In the UK, the 12-inch and CD formats had the title 'Hey Ladies (Love American Style EP)' and in Germany the single had the title 'Hey Ladies' with the same track listing as Love American Style. Does this not show that it is actually a different format of the 'Hey Ladies' single release? The name 'Love American Style' was just a title given to the longer formats of this release (e.g. maxi CDs/12'). Also, I would like to point out that for Frozen Metal Head the version that excludes 'Jimmy James' was a promotional copy of the single. For the full release all versions do include 'Jimmy James'. - Ellm6 (talk) 13:28, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Secondly, I think 'Cooky Puss' and 'Rock Hard' should definitely be considered as singles rather than EPs. On the 'Cooky Puss' front cover it is actually stated as being a maxi single so I don't think there should be too much disagreement with that. With 'Rock Hard' some sources call it a single and some an EP, although I can't find a definitive answer. Like 'Cooky Puss', I think 'Rock Hard' (and to some extent Love American Style) can also be considered 'maxi singles'. If we compare the track listings for 'Rock Hard' and 'Cooky Puss' with other Beastie Boys EPs, I think it's obvious that they should be considered as singles, as EPs usually have more than four songs.

'Cooky Puss' (single): 4 tracks
'Rock Hard' (single): 4 tracks
Polly Wog Stew (EP): 8 tracks
Aglio e Olio (EP): 8 or 10 tracks
Root Down (EP): 10 tracks

- Ellm6 (talk) 13:28, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

I agree with the classification above. MaJic(comments go here) 02:23, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

As the third opinion by MaJic also favours classing those EPs as singles, I have merged Love American Style and Frozen Metal Head into the 'Hey Ladies' and 'Jimmy James' singles, copying the chart positions and creating notes explaining the different formats. - Ellm6 (talk) 14:43, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Good work. I've put a disambiguation link in at Love,_American_Style. An Exciting Evening at Home with Shadrach, Meschach and Abednego and Frozen Metal Head have redirects in place. kingboyk (talk) 19:43, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

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